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Jonas Sukarala
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
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Posted - 2013.05.03 16:20:00 -
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but what does that mean to current battleship prices graphs please!!!!!!
'Tech3 ships need to be put down, like a rabid dog drooling everywhere in the house, they are out of line' CCP Ytterbium
Nerf missile range into place..... where is the TD missile change?-á ,...projectiles should use capacitor. |
Jonas Sukarala
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
137
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Posted - 2013.05.03 16:57:00 -
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Aglais wrote:The Raven will not be worth it's new price. At all.
Indeed the battleship rebalance pass don't justify the increased prices maybe if you increase the performance of all the battleships especially the attack versions and the abbadon the most expensive ship has been nerfed without any changes to improving its performance where it really needs it in its slot layout/turrets/cap issues.
Then you have to also take into account the ABC's are still way too strong after their tiny nerfs and now navy battlecruisers are just squeezing the battleships into a smaller corner of use.
'Tech3 ships need to be put down, like a rabid dog drooling everywhere in the house, they are out of line' CCP Ytterbium
Nerf missile range into place..... where is the TD missile change?-á ,...projectiles should use capacitor. |
Jonas Sukarala
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
137
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Posted - 2013.05.03 17:06:00 -
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Rroff wrote:Aliventi wrote:How balanced is the cost and effectiveness of a BS compared to a BC? Is a BS really worth 4 BCs?
Part of me understands what you are doing. I agree what you are doing makes sense. Another part of me goes "I can have more fun in 4 BCs than I can in that BS." It's going to be unusual having no real ship to fill the between BC (~50 mil) and the tiericeded BS (~200-240 mil) prices. That is a large jump with no filler. Some of the new ships/ship changes coming will fill that somewhat - tho not sure what price faction battlecruisers, etc. will be.
mm... faction bc's would be the natural fill..... also T2 cruisers are there and ABC's when fitted is still 120mil or so...
Although i think ABC's really ought to be T2 hulls they just aren't a real bc at least in eve terms... they are a specialization much like logistic cruisers are that use large reps instead of their normal medium counterparts.
'Tech3 ships need to be put down, like a rabid dog drooling everywhere in the house, they are out of line' CCP Ytterbium
Nerf missile range into place..... where is the TD missile change?-á ,...projectiles should use capacitor. |
Jonas Sukarala
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
137
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Posted - 2013.05.03 17:14:00 -
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CCP Rise wrote:Quote:How balanced is the cost and effectiveness of a BS compared to a BC? Is a BS really worth 4 BCs? Its very consistent across EVE to get linear power increase for exponential cost increase. Is a Cruiser worth 10 frigates? Is a Machariel better than 5 battleships? I think BS happened to be at a point in the curve which is extremely important because the price point is right where it starts to hurt people, but BC are right there reminding you of how small your performance increase is. We think it fits though. PVEers are making their first long-term investment on a BS usually and we don't want that to be available too quickly, and for large scale PVP BS are the last step before moving to extremely end-game ships and so it needs to feel significant.
Fair point ... but you need to make them all worth that steep increase atm the geddon and Maelstrom are perhaps the only ones worth it.
'Tech3 ships need to be put down, like a rabid dog drooling everywhere in the house, they are out of line' CCP Ytterbium
Nerf missile range into place..... where is the TD missile change?-á ,...projectiles should use capacitor. |
Jonas Sukarala
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
137
|
Posted - 2013.05.03 17:42:00 -
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progodlegend wrote:Jackie Fisher wrote:Will insurance values be looked at? If not the current tier 1/2 will be a lot less viable for many pilots than the current tier 3 which seems a shame considering the effort being put into balancing them.
Insurance values are tied to the mineral costs, when they go up, the insurance will go up. Though this raises the question, will the insurance react to the extra materials increase, or does it not include those. If it doesn't include them, then yes you are right insurance needs to be looked at. I'll make sure to bring that up at the next meeting, because that's a minor fix that may have been overlooked.
Any chance you can fix the abbadon whilst you're there? :)
'Tech3 ships need to be put down, like a rabid dog drooling everywhere in the house, they are out of line' CCP Ytterbium
Nerf missile range into place..... where is the TD missile change?-á ,...projectiles should use capacitor. |
Jonas Sukarala
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
137
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Posted - 2013.05.03 18:08:00 -
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Zimmy Zeta wrote:I understand the reasoning behind those prices. Since I usually don't fly Battleships very often I do not care very much, personally. But my problem is that the increase in BS cost might draw even more players towards the still ridiculously overpowered and widely loathed tier 3 Battlecruisers. Is there any plan to increase their cost, too? I don't want to play Oracle Online... 
If only they made ABC's T2 hulls then they would be more expensive and better balanced..... mm...
'Tech3 ships need to be put down, like a rabid dog drooling everywhere in the house, they are out of line' CCP Ytterbium
Nerf missile range into place..... where is the TD missile change?-á ,...projectiles should use capacitor. |
Jonas Sukarala
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
137
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Posted - 2013.05.04 12:18:00 -
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CCP Rise wrote:Hey guys - will try to get caught up on this today... Quote:So , in other words, "we don't care what you think, but go ahead and post anyway. We won't change our mind". What I mean by this is more that - we had a good idea of what you would think, because many people internally felt the same way. We spent a lot of time talking with those people and trying to figure out if there was a different solution that fit our goals and also made them more comfortable. This is where we arrived.
What so internally all the devs also felt the battleships weren't worth the increase too?
'Tech3 ships need to be put down, like a rabid dog drooling everywhere in the house, they are out of line' CCP Ytterbium
Nerf missile range into place..... where is the TD missile change?-á ,...projectiles should use capacitor. |
Jonas Sukarala
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
137
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Posted - 2013.05.04 12:28:00 -
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CCP Rise wrote:No, but SOME devs were concerned that it was going to be too hard on players with less income.
As a result we spent quite a bit of time talking about how quickly we wanted BS to be accessible, and we also looked into metrics around player income in as much detail as possible. It was easy to establish that people simply have higher income than they used to across all character ages. With that information, everyone agreed this was the best way to move forward.
okay makes sense but do you also feel like most of the players that the battleships still aren't up to scratch for the price compared to how well the ABC's and bc's/navy bc's perform?
'Tech3 ships need to be put down, like a rabid dog drooling everywhere in the house, they are out of line' CCP Ytterbium
Nerf missile range into place..... where is the TD missile change?-á ,...projectiles should use capacitor. |
Jonas Sukarala
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
137
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Posted - 2013.05.04 12:46:00 -
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CCP Rise wrote:Quote:okay makes sense but do you also feel like most of the players that the battleships still aren't up to scratch for the price compared to how well the ABC's and bc's/navy bc's perform? I really don't feel this way. As I said before, I think its really dangerous to think about performance relative to price. I can ask you maybe - if all ships cost the same amount, would BS be okay? I know a lot of people feel ABC are too strong still, but that's its own issue which we are still watching.
even if they all cost 200 mil basic thats before the 70mils worth of mods and rigs i would say some battleships really aren't worth the price...
Attack battleships are the weakest partly because ABC's and also because they aren't mobile enough/tanky enough for the price when you could get a navy bc for much less with better mobility.
So on ABC's any thoughts on making them T2 as they are specialists much like logistics are .. large mods on medium hull?
'Tech3 ships need to be put down, like a rabid dog drooling everywhere in the house, they are out of line' CCP Ytterbium
Nerf missile range into place..... where is the TD missile change?-á ,...projectiles should use capacitor. |
Jonas Sukarala
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
137
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Posted - 2013.05.04 16:45:00 -
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The problem the battleship has is that the only time i would form a fleet of them is if the opponents have them not because they are better than a bc gang.
This is partly because of the
-expense
-lack mobility in fights and moving through systems
- ABC's do the same dps with better projection and mobility for half the price
-bc's still have strong tank and are more mobile whilst having good dps/applied dps
Reason for using them
-because opponent does
-rr armour fleet see above
So to sum up .. ABC's and bc's make battleships mostly a niche ship now where they are only useful against other bs fleets.
so some solutions
- nerf bc's dps and tank
-nerf ABC's dps... possibly make it a T2 hull
-reduce cost of battleships
-buff battleships mobility/tank
'Tech3 ships need to be put down, like a rabid dog drooling everywhere in the house, they are out of line' CCP Ytterbium
Nerf missile range into place..... where is the TD missile change?-á ,...projectiles should use capacitor. |
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